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[Read Ebook] ⚸ Thirteen Reasons Why Ì You can t stop the future You can t rewind the past.The only way to learn the secretis to press play.Clay Jensen returns home from school to find a strange package with his name on it lying on his porch Inside he discovers several cassette tapes recorded by Hannah Baker his classmate and crush who committed suicide two weeks earlier Hannah s voice tells him that there are thirteen reasons why she decided to end her life Clay is one of them If he listens, he ll find out why Clay spends the night crisscrossing his town with Hannah as his guide He becomes a firsthand witness to Hannah s pain, and as he follows Hannah s recorded words throughout his town, what he discovers changes his life forever. Update 7 10 15 A Conversation From Yesterday Co Worker My kid just read this book and loved it You are a reader, right If you haven t read it, you should read it Me What s it called CW Thirteen Reasons or something It s about suicide Me Hmmmm, yeah I think that sounds familiar Hold on lemme check checking GR and finding review CW You find it Me Um, yeah CW So you like it Me Umsure LMAO Original pre gif discovery Review I see that this book is pretty well loved and highly reviewed, but I quite frankly don t see the same beauty as everyone else So if you are someone who loved this book and loved Hannah, you should probably pass on my review because it might piss you off Mega Spoilers I know some read this book and see Hannah as a victim But I don t I see a hypocritical, self absorbed teenager who basically refused to take responsibility for herself and or her OWN actions because she was too busy analyzing OTHER people s actions and how those actions directly or indirectly affected Hannah Hannah s ridiculous 13 tape manifesto is all about laying people out for not seeing or simply failing to care how their actions affected Hannah But even through Hannah s own dialogue we see how she herself is guilty of using treating others just as thoughtlessly She plainly says that she asked Courtney over to her home not to befriend her but to help her catch Tyler peeping in her window with his camera Also, later she describes how she engages a random girl with whom she s never spoken to before in conversation in order to look beyond the girl s shoulder and catch Zach stealing notes out of her Encouragement bag How do you think THAT girl felt being used, Hannah How do you think Courtney felt being asked over to your house simply to playact for a peeping Tom On and on Hannah rants at everyone about how dare they do this and how dare they do that to her but seriously watching her hypocritically commit similar actions of insensitivity and constantly put herself in asinine situations completely undermined any sympathy I had for her Do I think it s fucked up that Tyler peeped into her window a situation that felt totally contrived Yes Is it fucked up she witnessed a rape and felt guilt for not acting to stop it Yes Same with the stop sign situation But by the time most of those things happen, she has already dug her own grave in her mind AND she did nothing to try and solve her own problems Being a teenager SUCKS Being a female teenager especially sucks But what Hannah failed to realize is that almost every other character in her story was just trying to do the same thing as her get by and get through I m all for being mindful of your words and trying to be aware of how your actions affect others however, you can only do your best but to think constantly about how your every word and action might affect someone else can result in complete paralyzation I m not anti suicide and I m not railing against Hannah for choosing that course I m just not down with the 13 tapes vilifying other people for not thinking about how every move they made affected Hannah At some point, you have to take responsibility for YOURSELF and your own actions You can t control what other people do and how they act, but you can control how you respond Hannah responded by CHOOSING to be a victim and blaming everyone else. I m one of the very few people who strongly disliked Thirteen Reasons Why, so maybe I should explain to you why.I hate Thirteen Reasons Why And here s why.Most of all, it glamorises suicide.I m putting this at the top because I can t believe I missed it in my original review And this is a controversial point, because most of my Goodreads friends, whose opinions I would hold up as gospel, loved this book for its realistic and harrowing portrayal of teen suicide This book is one big glamorous monument to Hannah s suicide.To me, it feeds the myths that a lot of teens hold about suicide, rather than debunk them Let me start off by saying that all pain is, eventually, temporary When I think about the worst pain I ve ever gone through depression, painful and invasive surgery, grief I thoughtn it would never end But it did And it always does Yes, it will hurt like hell Yes, it will feel as though it s never going to But, yes, it ends Eventually And you have to be strong and extremely brave and honest, but there will be a day when you will look back on your worst pain and it will be a memory.That is why suicide is never the answer.So, what s the reason behind this bizarre, obvious, late night PSA from the brilliant mind of a bat shit crazy reader from the minority hahahaha.I think this book encourages suicide.There, I said it I know it s a strong and sweeping and dramatic statement to make I don t think that Asher wanted it to be that way I m not trying to accuse Asher of actively encouraging suicide or anything.But.I have felt suicidal before Briefly, never seriously And yet, the thought that I don t think is that uncommon went something like this When I m dead, they ll all be sorry Am I projecting my own experiences onto this book Maybe But, when you write about something as sensitive as suicide, I think that possibility is always out there This book encourages that line of thinking.Let me tell you, emotionally wrecked teenagers when you are dead, you are freaking gone You will never grow up You will never see your parents again You will never have another moment that makes you feel happy or special in the here and now You are gone forever.But life will go on for those around you They won t be sorry when you re dead Or maybe they will be, but you know what They ll still be alive They ll still have life You won t They ll get to move on You never will.But Hannah Baker kills herself And it s a dramatic, redemptive, cataclysmic act Hannah Baker sends the tapes, and she becomes the still point of the turning world She is Clay s Lost Lenore, the beautiful and romantic and unknowable girl who will live on forever in his memory Hannah Baker kills herself, and she makes all those people who ever hurt her sorry.You can tell me that 13RW is all about learning to help the people around us and think about the consequences of our actions I m sorry, readers, I love that you guys could get something wonderful and life affirming and heartbreaking out of this book, but I just couldn t get past the fact that it s Hannah who teaches these lessons Hannah dies, and she becomes every romanticised suicide clich the omniscient, omnipresent avenging angel, the tragic heroine And I m sorry, but that s not how suicide works As much as Asher pays lip service to the fact that Hannah Baker Didn t Have To Die, well, she kinda did Because didn t her suicide work out just great for everybody Skye might finally get some of Clay s, um, help The rapist was exposed, the peeping tom was exposed, every person who d been mean or unfair to Hannah was exposed and made to feel so, so sorry Everyone learns an Important Lesson, and it s all thanks to Hannah and her decision to kill herself Hannah shows everybody.And, I m sorry, but you never do That s just not how it works In many ways, Hannah is the evil twin of a Manic Pixie Dream Girl, but instead of living to breathe life into the dull main character, Hannah dies so that she can breathe life into the dull main character and, for all Asher s suicide helpline advice, I couldn t help but see this as one great propeller of romantic and dangerous teenage myths.It s a clever concept, but it s fundamentally illogical Each of the characters have to send it from one reason to another at the end of the book, Clay passes Hannah s tapes along to the next reason on her list Hannah herself raises the fact that she s sending it between some people who are guilty of a lesser role e.g view spoiler when dealing with a guy who raped one of her ex friends, she sends it to a guy who enabled the rape, rather than the rapist himself hide spoiler Wow What a b tch ButButMirandahow can you not love, cherish and worship a suicide book Hannah was so brave, she dealt with life the best way she couldBlah, blah, blah.Are you sitting down Good, cause things are about to get ranty HUGE MOTHER EFFING DISCLAIMER If you absolutely loved this book or if you think it really helped you through a tough time I have absolutely no problem with that You are completely and utterly entitled to your opinion on this novel just like I m entitled to hate it with every fiber of my being My hatred can be split into four parts The Message to the Target Audience, Glamorous Suicide, The Absolutely Terrible Excuse for A Main Character and Were you Raped Sorry, it s Me Time Now The Message to the Target Audience aka just kill yourself As an 25 year old adult, I am able to read this book and take a step back to truly appreciate the full wrath of Hannah She s able to absolutely crumble the lives of the bullies, extract sweet revenge on her ex friends and even get the boy she likes to admit that he really, really likes her.And how does she do that By killing herself.Let me repeat that she s able to accomplish all her wildest dreams By Killing Herself And the target audience Preteens teens Kids who are already thinking of suicide and are curious to see what happens after.And how does the author a grown adult advise them Just kill yourself and everything will be better after you die I cannot begin to express how furious that made me Okay, okay I will admit that there is another message one of accepting, embracing and truly caring for your peers before something tragic happensbut, I d like to remind you, how do we reach this conclusion Well, Hannah only had to off herself for this to happen Kill yourself and the world becomes a better place Glamorous Suicide aka suicide is a wondrous method to bring about change This is in a somewhat similar vein to the previous but did anyone else notice how beautiful and poetical her suicide was How all the bullies were cowed How all her friends regretted not appreciating her when she was alive How everyone felt bad about not being nicer.Even her suicide was a graceful fade to black.The book doesn t show any negative repercussions for her actions just that everything is better after she s gone.And while maybe some kids may react the same as the ones portrayed in this book, I d wager that most teens out there won t fall perfectly into the, Oh poor Hannah such a tragic little victim category.Most teens won t have the self reflection and emotional awareness shown in this novel She ll become a footnote, a blip on their radar, and they ll move on Absolutely Terrible Excuse for a Main Character aka what a b tch I am of the firm belief that if something tragic, or some self inflicted tragedy, befalls the main character, does not erase their sins Just because they did some grand, meaningful gesture, does not mean everything they did is given the rose tinted glasses.And what Hannah did was absolutely inexcusable Most suicides according to google are due to mental illness 90% i.e clinical depression, bipolar, etc or due to an impulse decision triggered by a great tragedy overwhelming circumstances From my admittingly untrained eye, Hannah experiences neither of these And I believe that if the author wanted us to see either one of those cases, he would have made that abundantly clear Which makes Hannah s premeditated revenge odd, to say the least She picks out thirteen people who she s perceived wronged her and sets about to find the most hurtful and vengeful way to ruin their lives She wants to make her suicide count by destroying these other teen s lives so thoroughly that they become traumatized and absolutely terrified for the rest of their days.So, who are these life ruiners you ask Who are these absolute monsters who made Hannah s life a living hell Pushing her every day closer to oblivion Her first kiss now, the guy did brag that he got a bit further than a first kiss with her, but to pin her suicide on him On a kid who likely felt inadequate and just wanted to seem older experienced among his friend group A friend who drifted apart from her sure this girl wasn t Hannah s bestie for life, but isn t she allowed to choose who her friends were She and Hannah drifted apart, just like millions of girls throughout high schoolbut no Hannah has to make sure this girl KNOWS that stopping friendships with ANYONE is a direct cause for suicide A guy who said she has a nice ass I m all for not objectifying women, but really She s trying to pin her suicide on a teenage guy who said she has a nice ass A nice girl who ended up not being super nice this girl was polite to Hannah, hung out a couple of times, but ultimately did not want to become best friends Well, now she knows that if she is not ABSOLUTELY PERFECTLY NICE AND FRIENDLY with everyone she meets, then they may kill themselves in revenge A guidance counselor who didn t stop her suicide In Hannah s version, he was the last straw between her and oblivion And he failed He failed her, her parents and the school.To expect one man to completely turn around a suicidal girl especially one who premeditates her suicide to such an extent that she uses it as a weapon against other kids is in my opinion horribly unrealistic.And that s the thing that everyone seems to forget these people who caused her suicide are kids Teenagers with their own troubles, trials and tribulations They re wading through the murky waters of high school with as much direction as Hannah.And in her anger, fury and spite, she puts them all on the same playing field The peeping Tom and rapist somehow contributed equally to the guy who stole the compliments from her compliment box Apparently, no one commenting about your haircut is just as likely to send you into a suicidal spiral as privacy violations Were you Raped Sorry, it s Me Time Now aka My God Hannah, What s Wrong With You I will admit there were some of the kids that had it coming i.e the rapist and the peeping Tom they should have been called out on their actions But, instead of going to the authorities and actually doing something about this, Hannah just outs them in one of her tapes And, it gets better, she never sends a tape to the rapist Instead, she sends it to her ex friend, the girl who was drunk and barely conscious throughout the rape, and Hannah blames her suicide on her.That s right, the RAPE victim learns that she s RAPED on Hannah s suicide tape, that Hannah and the boy the rape victim liked did nothing about it.AND what s Hannah s interpretation You, ex friend, caused my suicide cause you didn t want to be friends for life And to that I say A GOOD RIDDANCE Dropping Hannah like a hot tamale was obviously the right choice B Can you even begin to imagine learning that happened to you while your so called friend was hanging out in the closet of the same room And what was Hannah doing What was SO CRAZY IMPORTANT that she just couldn t stop her friend from being raped Having a tipsy mental breakdown because A the boy she liked her tried to kiss her and B when she said no, he stopped Excuse me, but how was THAT important that preventing an ex friend from getting RAPED Literally all Hannah had to do was step out of the closet and he d be scared off.But noooooo, Hannah decides to make the suicide tapes LONG after all the evidence has been washed away to let everyone know that she s the victim That SHE deserves the pity and sympathy.I m sorry, I m sure there are many MANY ways to interpret this book, but I just can t see feeling sympathy for the girl who killed herself over nice ass and friends not staying friends vs the one who was raped while her best friend guy she liked watched and then was blamed for a suicide This is the sort of revenge Hannah decides to extract on these teens It s unforgivable I can t believe I wasted my time with this ANOTHER BIG MOTHER EFFING DISCLAIMER cause apparently my first one was not enough Yes, this is my opinion This is my interpretation of this novel Is it the right one Maybe and maybe not.If this book is perfect in your eyes, if it really saved you, I am not discounting that experience This book has a LOT of potential to bring about difficult discussions but I feel that the way it is written is problematic to say the least But again, this is one take on the novel Audiobook CommentsThe one thing I couldn t fault this book on was the choice of narrators Joel Johnstone and Debra Wiseman were absolutely perfect throughout this book The way they played off of each other, the way they conveyed emotions amazing through and through The 2018 Finer Books Club Reading Challenge A book with a number in the titleYouTube Blog Instagram Twitter Snapchat miranda.reads THIRTEEN REASONS WHY I HATE THIS BOOK.Note, 6 10 17 Tape 11 has been updated.https emmareadstoomuch.wordpress.coAlright I really thought I wasn t going to review this book But a status sharing certain anti anti 13 Reasons Why sentiments did that make sense just came up onto my timeline, and I, to put it cordially, fucking snapped.Let me preface this by saying If this book or television show helped you in any way, this review is not for you We all have our coping mechanisms, we all have our favorite books I am absolutely not here to shit on anyone s fave If you liked this book, that s good Please don t read this I reserve the right not to be nice to you if you comment on this saying I m being unfair.So There are two sides to this debate One side thinks this book and the son of Satan television show it spawned is inspiring, important, other positive i words The other side the side of my brethren, which is, unsurprisingly to anyone who follows me on here, staggeringly outnumbered DISAGREES I m going to try to outline for you why I feel that way Disclaimer If this at any point seems like I m telling you you re not allowed to be a fan of this shit, I m not But I passionately hate it, so don t expect objectivity Also, this contains spoilers for both the book and the show, of course.Let s get started I ll organize this by my very own thirteen reasons.TAPE 1 The book and the show DON T bring attention to mental illness.That s one of the biggest defenses I ve seen of this story That yes, it s triggering and yes, it s intense and yes, it s hard to talk about But it s important.Here s the thing Hannah Baker is not a mentally ill character.My friend, who I will talk about later, informed me that the show never says the word depression Hannah doesn t get help The show doesn t depict the benefits of getting help More on that in a later tape I don t think she gets diagnosed with anything, or is medicated, or shows symptoms of depression that are identifiable.So how the fucking fuck is this an improved discussion of mental illness if it s never goddamn talked about TAPE 2 Suicide glorification.Everyone s thought about suicide Especially in those tender, self centered years in middle and high school If I died, then they would know The mean girls would regret their choices, the guy who never noticed you would wish he had, your friends would worship your memory, your school would make you a martyr.But that s not how it works.As you mature, you recognize that When you die, it s over for you You don t get to grow up But everyone you ever knew does And here s the bitter truth They re not going to analyze their choices and regret them They might not even remember you They, after all, like you, are only teenagers.But not in the world of Thirteen Reasons Why No, if you re Hannah Baker, it s quite the opposite.You are talked about beyond life You act as a hero, distributing punishments and harsh words as you see fit, with no repercussions for your actions You re a perfect saint, your death preventing anyone from speaking negatively about you Your old friends will miss you, the bullies will be humiliated and that humiliation wills them into realizations, the boy you liked desperately wishes that he had just told you he liked you too.And for some reason, it s okay for you to blame your fellow high schoolers just as vulnerable and worried and uncertain as you ever were for your death No one will criticize you for placing that unfair burden on them For telling the friend you grew apart from that it s her fault For telling the people you wronged it s on them.God, you guys This isn t what happens if a teenager commits suicide This isn t what we should be portraying as a realistic image of what could ever, ever happen.TAPE 3 Think about who is WATCHING this.Remember earlier, how I posited that most everybody has thought about suicide at least in the abstract And how that most often happens in middle and high school Well, guess who this show s target demographic is That s right The same vulnerable, depressed, self hating group that already has the tendency to think of suicide as an appropriate option.I have three younger siblings My sisters are seventeen and fifteen my brother is twelve My sisters and each and every one of their friends have watched this fucking show I begged my brother not to watch it, even though all of his friends have seen it.Do you understand that My twelve year old brother is being left out of conversations, jokes, references, group chats and budding friendships because he hasn t watched a show that centers on suicide and sexual assault Do you see what the stakes of this are I m not just some melodramatic reviewer without a life, trying to ruin a show that people like.Every student in every middle and high school in America will be told to watch this show And the author, the producers, the directors and adapters, couldn t even be bothered to consider the repercussions of their actions.TAPE 4 Having problems Just kill yourself.This show doesn t depict the benefits of therapy, of antidepressive medication hard when your protagonist doesn t have a diagnosis , of confiding in your loved ones The only potential solution offered within the narrative is suicide And, as I talked about earlier, it works out pretty fucking well for Hannah Baker.TAPE 5 Why is this being treated like fucking Bring It On I swear to God I m going to open Facebook tonight and someone will have shared a Buzzfeed quiz called How Would You Kill Yourself If You Were On Thirteen Reasons Why Y all can t fucking have this both ways Pick a lane is this show intense and important, bringing attention to under discussed issues in a serious and mature way, or do you want to know which character you are based on your cupcake preferences This either is or isn t a joke It s up to you.TAPE 6 There s a difference between triggering content and this.The show gives trigger warnings Cool That s not even sarcastic I think that s great.But if you ve seen the show, you know some of the graphic imagery goes so fucking beyond what any viewer would expect.My friend, who has struggled with depression and suicidal thoughts, and is triggered by sexual assault, had a series of panic attacks due to this show But she finished it against my urging because she thought it would give some important message or theme to the audience watching it But it doesn t And she put herself through that for nothing.TAPE 7 This isn t how suicidal thoughts work.Hannah has reasons for committing suicide It s like there was a straw that broke the camel s back Suicidal thoughts aren t like that.If you re thinking seriously about committing suicide, it s not because of a baker s dozen carefully delineated causes It s because everything feels impenetrably, incurably, never endingly awful It feels like there are no bright spots and no way out The difference Everybody feels like Hannah Baker does Everybody has the humiliating moments and regrets that, like, haunt them before they sleep every night But not everybody has severe depression Trying to equate the two is HORRIFIC It both reduces the trauma of having depression and indicates suicide as an option for people who may have never considered it otherwise.TAPE 8 Don t tell teenagers not to go to authority figures.Making the guidance counselor a villain is maybe one of the most irresponsible attempts at drama in this stupid fucking narrative The absolute last thing you should be doing is giving any indication to a vulnerable group that going to a trusted adult won t work out well.Teenagers everywhere This book and show are total fucking bullshit Your guidance counselors know exactly what to do If you re feeling like something is wrong, or experiencing suicidal thoughts, tell someone If you feel safe to confide in a guidance counselor, do it If you don t, find another trusted adult A teacher, a parent, a school administrator Anything Just don t take this bullshit for an example.TAPE 9 The experts say fuck this.https www.usatoday.com story opiniohttps www.washingtonpost.com news ahttp www.rollingstone.com tv featurThere s a bajillion articles on this, but I m already shaking with anger TAPE 10 Say the word depression.How goddamn hard is it Fuck your quasi advocacy.TAPE 11 This is an instruction manual.One morning, I ll wake up to my phone alarm Check my notifications, see one from The Washington Post Normal, when we haven t had a slow news day in a year But the headline won t be political It ll be something like, Teen Suicide Appears Inspired By Netflix Show And I ll know, instantly Feel awful for that poor vulnerable kid, but also think, Of course Think, Why didn t anybody see this coming At least the book didn t tell the reader how to slit their wrists Update, 6 10 17 It happened cyborgcinderella brought this to my attention in the comments, because this isn t even getting the press coverage I expected A 23 year old in Peru committed suicide and left tapes And no one is under the impression that this will be the only one one headline reads, The 13 Reasons Why Copycat Suicides May Have Started Why, why, why, why would this show be given a second season TAPE 12 Look at all these beautiful teens.I m just saying, it probably doesn t make your depressed audience of teenagers feel better if they spend the bajillion hours this show lasts staring at impossibly gorgeous adults It s a cast of classically good looking twenty somethings wearing natural makeup, with idealized bodies and perfect hair.That s not different from any other teen show It just feels especially significant when you think about how smugly this show pats itself on the back.TAPE 13 That goddamn ending.It s laughable This show just makes no fucking sense.Bottom line I HATE this book and show like I ve never hated anything I m worried about everyone I know who has seen it I m worried about every teenager who has heard about it And I m worried about the precedent this sets for irresponsibly using suicide as a plot point, without care for who it hurts.Fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck this book, this show, Jay Asher, and anyone who had any part in bringing it into existence.